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Andrew said...

A shame about the SWT promo, it's not as generous as last year's one. I was hoping they'd go out in a blaze of glory (their franchise ends in August).

Thomas G said...

correction: Promo runs to 14 July, not 21. apologies

Andrew said...

https://www.artfund.org/national-art-pass

3 months for £10 special offer - free entry to many London museums, and an eclectic mix of country house / gardens

Poppy said...

Without meaning to scaremonger, I wasn't sure where to put this comment but feel it could be used to create a 'Countryside security code' section (or similar). This has ocme up before but what I found online wasn't that good. If anyone can recommend a good source of information to people to refer to on safrty with livestock etc, that would be good. I have noticed recently quite a few doubts about how to behave around livestock, with no clear guidance used in the group (as far as I am aware). For example, a woman who brought a terrier walking with her was criticised by a few people on one occasion, even though he was well-behaved. Yet there is no by-law that says you shouldn't walk with a dog, and the animal wasn't worrying the livestock. So the criticism was unfounded. There are other issues that could be discussed, such as how to behave if cows start to move towards you.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/14/professor-trampled-to-death-by-cattle-in-east-sussex

Sean said...

The Ramblers have a page of advice on Walking near livestock as part of a general Safety section (Walking near horses; Walking with dogs; the legal position; etc). There are several do's and don'ts with cattle but the basic advice given is "move quickly and quietly, and if possible walk around the herd".

I think it would be helpful if the SWC site included links to pages like this, but I'd question whether the SWC itself should attempt to offer guidance. Does anyone in the club have the necessary expertise? What would be the consequences if a club member put up some well-meaning advice but something bad happened to someone following it?

Poppy said...

True - thanks. Well then perhaps that link could be highlighted on this website.

Andrew said...

Looks like paper railcards are going to be replaced with a phone app.

Marc Ricketts said...

Talking about Walks. Why not plan some New ones in Essex in the future. Like to Jaywick, Brightlingsea, Thorrington, and Weeley. And why not plan a New one in Hampshire from Botley to Durley as well. And back to Botley?

Libby James said...

Hi, I've just found your excellent site and noticed a thread on safety around livestock. I and a small group of cattle wary walkers have started a group and a website
https://killercows.co.uk/
some of us have been scared by them, some harassed and some nearly killed (and although some advice can be useful we unfortunately know incidents where it didn't help.) We're not in it for profit, book sales or fame - we just don't want anyone else injured.

Anonymous said...

don't know if anyone reads these pleas..but please repeat Sean's Angmering Park And Highdown Gardens walk soon ? for those of us who were intending to go but couldn't at last minute..
thanks!

Walker said...

We read these pleas, but yours would do better in the Walk Requests section below. All walk requests gratefully received, but we do have 300+ walks to get through and one tries to give them all a crack of the whip, so I am afraid requests for walks that have just been done to be repeated are lower down the priority ranking for me. I am glad to hear Sean's new walk was such a hit, however and I am sure it will get a further outing next year sometime

Mike A said...

Knepp Safari Park
I thought I'd mention a recent trip that four of us booked for a walking "Safari" at Knepp. No lions or tigers, but a fascinating rewilding project just south of Horsham.
Our host was a ecologist who was both passionate and knowledgeable about the project and, after an introductory video we went on a 2½ hour walk through the estate. We watched birds being ringed, bees who live underground, saw wild deer and pigs and ended on a tree platform overlooking the estate . If you have an interest in nature/conservation and you haven't been, I'd thoroughly recommend a visit.
The tour ended just before 1 pm and to complete the day we decided to walk to Billingshurst (estimated at about 8-10km). A public footpath runs through the estate and we set of to the Countryman Pub (shown on the estate's map)
Excellent food, service and ales here with a large outdoor garden and local farm produce for sale on our visit. We continued to Billingshurst possibly touching on some of the SWC Walk 283's route with the final leg into Billingshurst being the reverse of the start of SWC Walk 8. (Drop me a line if you would like some details off the route we took.)
If you are interested in costs, then in addition to a CDR to Billingshurst, the cab fare from Horsham to Knepp was just under £20 and the tour was £25 a person.

David Colver said...

Forgive me for being the most boring and humourless of farts, but I wonder if I might ask that walk post headlines include the start and end points of the walk, with a witty pun an optional supplement rather than the entry in its entirety.

The value of an amusing description is outweighed, for me at least, by being able to understand at a glance (without having to open the entry) where a walk is located, and to be able to find the walk posting again later in a hurry, quite possibly on a mobile device with a small screen.

Anonymous said...

hear hear !

Andrew said...

https://www.walkingclub.org.uk/maps/bing.shtml?lat=51.292&lon=1.22728&zoom=12&gpx_url=/test/sandwich.gpx

This map is the England Coast Path past Sandwich, with 3km of new paths, and a longgggg inland detour around a river

Anonymous said...

I have a query about photos for the walks. I know that the website uses Flickr for people to upload photos from specific walks, but I was wondering if there is a SWC Instagram account? Would it be a useful addition? There are some people on Instagram taking and sharing photos of the TOCWalks (myself included) using #saturdaywalkersclub but those aren't linked to go club in any way, like the Flicker ones. It might be nice to see a club presence on there.

What do other people think?

~Karen

Andrew said...

we do have an (unused) instagram account.

the problem with instagram is that their API is only for commercial use, so I can't extract the photo information (author, url, title, description, size, thumbnails)

there is a new facebook version of their API, but the authorisation process is complex - its not just 'public' like flickr is... its the same reason we don't support facebook albums

its a shame as flickr is getting a bit dated now

Anonymous said...

Hi Andrew

Thanks for addressing my question. I see what you're saying about incorporating it into the website (although I don't know what API is, I think I get the jist of what you're saying). I do like having the photos on the website, and I actually look at them when deciding to go on a walk on my own.

Would it be possible, or would anyone be willing, to maintain the Instagram account as an auxiliary social media site? I understand that the photos would not be incorporated into the website, but a link can be provided on Instagram to go to it. And vice versa perhaps.

I follow the SWC account on twitter, and I just thought that Instagram would also be a great addition. If it doesn't work though, I understand.

Thanks again
Karen

Andrew said...

Karen,

Yes, API is "website-data-interface-for-programmers" in English.

Actually, we didn't already have a club instagram account, but we do now!

Its swcwalks as in https://www.instagram.com/swcwalks/ (as saturdaywalkers and saturdaywalkersclub were already taken).

Please use tags like:
#swcwalks #swcwalk20
#swcwalks #book1 #walk7
#swcwalks #short12

Thanks for volunteering :) I'll email the password.

Anonymous said...

The videos are useful when planning a walk.
Thank you to the walker/s who take the time and effort, recording and posting them.

Anonymous said...

Hi Andrew

Thanks for letting me know! I am already following and liked a photo. Was the bit about volunteering aimed at me? I'd be happy to do it 😃

I have sent a message via Instagram.

I am looking forward to all the photos!

~Karen

Andrew said...

Karen, whats your instagram id, andrew

Anonymous said...

Hi Andrew

I'm loneboots on Instagram. I sent you message on there earlier, I don't know if you got it.

~Karen

JohnnyHastings said...

Just a couple of random bits of information. Hastings Borough Council have now put up clear diversion signs to avoid the landslips near Warren and Ecclesbourne Glens on the Hastings to Rye (or vice versa) walk.

Also if you are LOOPER, the River Crane is badly flooded in Donkey Wood at the end of section 9. No alternative but busy roads but plenty of buses to Hatton Cross

Anonymous said...

Thank you for the LOOP info.

Anonymous said...

who has been doing the recent films please? and how? looks like a gopro strapped to the chest! good on you

Bill S said...

Just doing a bit of idle googling when I came across this site - https://www.meetup.com/saturdaywalkers/ A case of imitation being the sincerest form of flattery?

Walker said...

No, it is a case of our webmaster using Meet Up to promote our walks

Andrew said...

I'm glad our Youtuber is back from his break. He doesn't come on club walks however, but does make it for the Xmas parties.

There's always scope for someone to borrow a Google Maps Trekker... (a streetview camera in a backpack)



Andrew said...

The "inset" maps, that some walks have, now use OS mapping again.

The PDF's created from the (html) walk pages have OpenStreetMap mapping instead (for licence reasons)

Anonymous said...

haha Andrew that google thing isn't very subtle..you'd get questioned all along walk, best to do gopro thingy although might be jittery

Andrew said...

how about a drone? saw a program about the intertidal archaeology of winchelsea beach and petts level which had nice aerial shots.

Andrew said...

The maps.me (iphone and android) is a very easy to use openstreetmap maps app. Way easier than oruxmaps.

Once you've installed it, it'll prompt you to download the southeast england map.

Then navigate to a walk, and click GPS and download the KML file (not the GPX one)

And it'll open the map with the walk route on.

Both maps and app are free. A minus point is the maps don't have contours

Andrew said...

We need a better forum. We could start using our Facebook Group. Or, I could install some forum software. Thoughts?

Andrew said...

We need a better way for new people to the website to choose walks. 300+ walks is a been daunting - too many to choose from? e.g. there is a half implemented system of tags (e.g. NT https://www.walkingclub.org.uk/walks/national-trust.html ). Thoughts?

Anonymous said...

As a fairly new user of the web site, found it easy to search for walks, as they are in order of county, length and difficulty.
Appreciate the efforts of the walk authors, checkers, posters and web site manager, who devote their time to providing a valuable resource, free of charge.

Anonymous said...

Regarding forum,
would prefer to avoid the use of Facebook please.

Walker said...

Agree re Facebook. Hardly any regular walkers seem to look ok at it. I am not sure who are the people who like and comment on it but I never recognise their names.

To make the forum work it would need to be easy to find - a prominent panel on This Week’s Walks - and have content relevant to the average walker.

I would suggest turning “Last Minute” into the Forum. Everything now posted to Last Minute would be a Forum comment instead. What is now the Last Minute box would be a live feed showing the two or three most recent Forum posts.

Walker said...

Re searching for walks. You put tags on them. You could have a page listing the tags, either as a list of links or buttons. Find walk with.....beaches, NT properties, wildflowers, churches, long walks, seaside walks.

Walker said...

Further to my last comment: yes, like the “By tags” page in your mock-up: add that button to the main walk list menu. Possibly call it something more explicit. “Sort walks by type”. But yes, this page of tags you can click on to get all walks with that tag would be good. But as an option on the main walk list. Don’t put it elsewhere.

Walker said...

The “By tags” page would be very useful for walk posters too....

Andrew said...

My local area has an active Facebook based walking group that's good at spontaneous
(and quite well attended) local walks ("meet by the tube at 10am today"). We don't have the same level of community...

Anonymous said...

Is anyone thinking of planning a guided walk in London for the Open Squares weekend in June?

Anonymous said...

sounds good Andrew - what facebook group is it ? Ta

Andrew said...

The Black Rabbit in Offham (near Arundel) is worth a visit for its large riverside terrace with lovely river meadow and castle views. Has a coffee shop, so could be a mid-morning stop. Not quite on any of our walks, but a suggested option on the Book 1 Arundel-Amberley walk.

Andrew said...

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1888145684841273/ Its local walks in/around colliers wood

Anonymous said...

thanks Andrew just checked them out, sound nice group

Anonymous said...

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HOW TO SAVE A SHEEP'S LIFE

Andrew said...

http://www.stopnetworkrail.org.uk/

A group against closures of footpaths crossing rail lines.

NR are doing this in East Anglia, but so far, not in the southeast.

Andrew said...

The "OS maps online/app" has a 30 person club license for £100, enough for every walk poster/author and then some. At least 2 (TG, Amib) already use it. Are enough people interested in getting it?

Walker said...

I note the dogs on walks debate flared again recently. I have two observations:

1) Every dog owner thinks their dog is well-behaved. On an average day when I walk by myself, three to four dogs come barking up to me, some being friendly, most not. Whenever they address me, which is rarely, the owners always stress how out of character this behaviour is and how well-behaved their dog always is. Interestingly, in one case in twenty does the dog concerned respond to their owner’s command without multiple repetitions. In all cases my tranquillity has been disturbed anyway, well-behaved dog or not.

2) However well-behaved dogs are, some people don’t like them. This is not a crime or a personality defect: it is a preference. People have a right to not like dogs just like they have a right to not like salad.

The onus is not on the person who does not like dogs to avoid your dog or to learn dog psychology. The onus is on you to keep your dog from interacting with strangers, unless those strangers show an obvious enthusiasm for the interaction (which, granted, many people do). The law also says the dog should be under your “close control”, not just vaguely responding to your wishes when it feels like it. If you can’t train your dog not to run up to random strangers and bark, then it should be on a lead.

On SWC walks, try asking at the beginning “Does anyone on the walk object to dogs? If so, I will keep my dog away from you.” This would not just be courtesy but useful training for you as a dog owner. You might start to be aware of how under your close control the dog actually is.

And for the record, while I am not personally keen on dogs, I have never objected to them coming on walks as long as they do not bother wildlife.

Walker said...

Re the OS map question, does this subscription give you a download or just online access? I have the OS Map app and pay £27 a year for the privilege but I rarely use it as it then downloads the area map on my mobile data (you can download a small chunk of map in advance but I use the app unpredictabiy when I have lost my way, so I usually have not downloaded the area map in advance). The old discontinued OS MapFinder app, which I still have, has an already downloaded Landramgwr map for the whole South East which I can access without data. So I tend to use that. It is free, since I paid for the download.

Anonymous said...

Visited the Purfleet Heritage and Military Centre on Sunday when walking Section 24 of the London Loop, Rainham to Purfleet.p
It is an interesting, eclectic collection run by volunteers, who would very much welcome more visitors.
Opening hours are 10.00am to 3.300pm on Thursday, Sunday and Bank Holiday Monday.
Entry charge £3.00
The also hold special events:
11th June Vintage Bus Day
23rd July Motorbike event with the Royal British Legion Riders
6th August Gurkha Day with Nepalese food and dancing

For more info:
01708 890874
Www.purfleetheritage.com
Alan.gosling@rocketmail.com

Sean said...

A club subscription to OS Maps sounds like a good idea. I've used bikehike.co.uk to create my walk routes but it's got some limitations and it would be no bad thing if all walk authors used the same software. I assume the most benefit would be as an app on people's phones but personally I'd only want something for creating walks on a PC (downloading route files, printing 1:25000 map extracts, etc).

Andrew said...

Yahoo (now Verizon) has sold Flickr to Smugmug (a specialist photo website).

On the plus side, Flickr has been long neglected...

On the negative, I don't see it been so generously free for long. We effectively host 20,000 photos on flickr.

Mike said...

Attn of Mr M Tiger or Stargazer!

According to my calculations (I may be wrong) you are responsible for allocating walks for Sunday 17th June. This is a date of some personal significance so can I nominate a walk? Happy to negotiate with you, but I never set foot North of Thames (except Berks) or East of Tonbridge if I can help it.

Mr M Tiger said...

Attn. Mike:

What might your nomination be?

Mike said...

Thanks M Tiger

Here are some ideas.
Coastal walks
211/1 Shoreham to Littlehampton to Bognor
Victoria 9.16 Shoreham 10.26
213 Newhaven to Brighton
Victoria 9.46 (Change Lewes) Newhaven 11.16

Inland walks
293 Banbury circular
Paddington 8.27 (Change Reading) Banbury 9.54

Mike A said...

I thought I'd mention that this years Jevington fete is on Saturday 16th June. It's a couple of quid to get in and is situated in great location just south of Jevington near the South Downs Way. Details are at http://www.jevingtonvillagehall.com/fete/
Would one of you nice Walks Posters consider posting a South Downs Walk on the 16th June with a lunch stop in Jevington?
Many thanks
Mike A

Walker said...

Yes, Mike, I would be happy to do this

Berwick to Birling Gap would be one possibility

Mr M Tiger said...

Attn. the other Mike. it's Banbury for the 17th

Mike said...

Thanks Tiger

Re Banbury 17/6/18, do you have a start time? As I come from a different direction what's good for Londoners isn't always good for me, especially on a Sunday when trains are sparse.

Marcus said...

With reference to the confusion at the start of the recent Bank Holiday Monday walk (Holmwood to Gomshall), a request for those of you armed with hand held devices to be less trigger happy with them. At least two walkers posted incorrect information on our website which probably put off a number of would-be attendees. Please remember - train company websites often lag behind latest events. Perhaps better to let walkers work out what best to do when at the train station, as most of us did on the day.
Thanks !

Andrew said...

One for the statisticians. What is the estimated attendance for a walk?

Parameters are
day-of-week,
time,
and optionally departure station.

What I'm looking for is something like
Sat: 20, Sun:10, weekday:10, evening:5

You could subdivide by north/south, or even by each departure station.

Anonymous said...

Rickmansworth Canal Festival is on this weekend, 19th and 20th May.
Jazz and folk music shows, fly past by Battle of Britain Lancaster and Dakota planes,
canal boat tug-of-war,
and lots of food and drink stalls.
An interesting event for all ages.